Hide channels from others?

Rizon staff has been discussing the possibility of making a mode that is staff only a public mode. Currently user mode p is for staff only and hides the rooms you are in from others when they whois you. This is something many users have seen when whoising some of the staff as it is commonly set on our staff. We have had a few request for this from users and are considering making this a feature for anyone.

This mode helps avoid people you don't want following you from room to room. Or if you just in general don't want someone to know the rooms you are in.


I would like people to give their opinions on this. If it is something they want, don't want, or just don't care. Feel free to post your opinion.

"Staff only" is actually already too wide of a description, as it requires admin flag to be used :p

Ontopic: I don't see how it could hurt and it is a fact that plenty of users have been asking for it. In fact, setting +s on all channels you're in is a bother, and not even always possible.

sure is useful

and more useful than other usermodes

It definitely seems like a good idea. I come in contact with plenty of new users to IRC whom I don't want following me to my channels.

Yeah... i think you guys should do it... been waiting for something like this for a long time

Agreed, I'd love to see this happen.

Yeah its usefull

But then how do I go about stalking users if you do this? :[

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Originally Posted by Gemini

"Staff only" is actually already too wide of a description, as it requires admin flag to be used :p

Ontopic: I don't see how it could hurt and it is a fact that plenty of users have been asking for it. In fact, setting +s on all channels you're in is a bother, and not even always possible.

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okay Gemini, but what about channels that are not set to +s like #chat for instance, btw i think it's a good idea Nessun

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Originally Posted by brandon

okay Gemini, but what about channels that are not set to +s, btw i think it's a good idea Nessun

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That's my point exactly, channels that aren't +s would show up. However, usermode +p would hide ALL channel's you're in, regardless of being +s or not.

okay if it is desided to add umode +p to normal users then how long will it talk?

and what about adding a mode that allows you to see who is /whois' you, i know its really for IRCop's but i heard about a few people who are not IRCop's and they still can see who is /whois' them

I was doing it because I could, more than anything.

It was a dumb thing to do.

Yes, please. Just make sure ALL opers can see +s channels on whois regardless of the user having +p set or not so it won't be harder to catch a ban evader etc if this will be changed. Not only would it make it less harder, but also a lot easier than the current situation as regular opers (>SO) without admin flags need to use GeoServ for viewing +s channels with and without umode +p.

I don't see any reason why not. If certain users have the preference to be anonymous on rizon, let them.

This, along with an optout on the silly stats Rizon publishes about all users (http://stats.rizon.net/?m=h) would restore privacy, so much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by OmegaPhil

This, along with an optout on the silly stats Rizon publishes about all users (http://stats.rizon.net/?m=h) would restore privacy, so much appreciated.

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Totally agree.

I think it would be a good idea, just don't have it set on connect..

On another note, I think it would be a good idea to have a mode option for nickserv to automaticly set modes when you identify.

Stalkers: Vote NO on UMODE +p

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Originally Posted by Rebel_n00b

I think it would be a good idea, just don't have it set on connect..

On another note, I think it would be a good idea to have a mode option for nickserv to automaticly set modes when you identify.

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Ur idea is very good too :)

I could see it being useful for everyone at one time or another. why not?

Honestly, I don't see the point in it.

The whole case for 'restoring' privacy is just silly. Channels are, and have always been, inherently public unless they've been set +s. If you don't want to be seen in a channel, then don't join it?

If you're attracting a lot of stalkers, then chances are it has to do with your behavior -- e.g. something you're doing.

+1 for SecretAgent

Channel privacy is presently well regulated through proper use of available CMODEs. UMODE +p does not guarantee privacy with services such as Rizon Stats (which, along with CMODE +s, is at the discretion of channel operators) and other privately regulated services which track and publish public statistics and conversation.

Then again, I'm not really concerned with the outcome; it does not affect me either way. I am for whichever saves bandwidth, CPU cycles, and effort. :>

If you're really going to implement this, please make it detectable. I.e. instead of showing no channels at all (or rather, common channels only), print a notice indicating that some channels have been omitted from the list. (Only for normal users of course.)
As a channel operator, you should have the right to kickban people based on channels they are in, and when recruiting new staff members, it's much easier to tell if an applicant will fit in if you can view the channels he or she is in.

Regards,
snip

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Originally Posted by snip

As a channel operator, you should have the right to kickban people based on channels they are in, and when recruiting new staff members, it's much easier to tell if an applicant will fit in if you can view the channels he or she is in.

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Unlocking +p will make this even less doable. Currently you dont see +s chans already. With +p you wont see any that you are not in yourself.

We have decided that this mode will be added. It will take a while to be implemented as we plan to have it ircd based rather than services based. Which means it requires all Rizon servers to be restarted before it can be done. Which we won't do at once it will take a month or so. But look for this new option in the near future.

The usermode +p has now been implemented but only works on Rizon servers running version 523. At the time of this posts that would only be 2 servers:

irc.dronebl.org
irc.zipd.de

If you wish make use of this mode you can use that server. Over time the others will be restarted but it will be done during convenient times. Such as if the server has few users or goes down for any reason. We always try to make use of network outages to do upgrades, which often means the better servers get upgraded far less. One of our servers is running version 513 which means the server itself has been running just shy of 1 year.

Server Up 364 days, 8:31:45

Keeping in mind thats just the ircd program itself not the last time it has been rebooted (which is even longer).

Thanks.